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i can;t honestly say i am upset about it..... ....the bill had some major problems.... one of which was the probabality it would raise the premiums for lower income americans aged 50 to 65 from 1,700 dollars a year to over 14,000..... and while i;m by no means a financial wizard even i can see how the buzzards would have come home to roost on that one..... 

but in reality.... i seriously doubt president trump is very upset about the failure of his bill either..... .... he might be pretending to be for the sake of the democrats who are curently high five-ing each other ... giddy with elation over their "victory" in the house..... but if they will just think back a few months they might remember telling candidate trump that if the republicans repealed and replaced obama-care then they would own whatever problems came along with their new plan...... ....i wonder how long it will take those same democrats to realize they are now the sole owners and proprietors of obama-care....... again....... 

donald trump himself said the best thing for him to do personally would be to leave obama-care alone and let it fall apart..... then work next year on a better plan that few would oppose in light of the obama-care failure..... but he added that wasn;t best for the country so therefor the right thing to do was to repeal obama-care and replace it with a better plan... plus he also promised the american voters that;s what he was going to do as soon as he took office..... ..... well now...... in the true form of a shrewd and experienced businessman..... he has ended up with the best of both worlds...... he has kept his promise.. even though his bid failed.... and now he has a clear conscience to leave obama-care alone..... both these things will eventually work in his favor when obama-care disentegrates next year......... 

but don;t tell the dems just yet..... ... let them keep dancing and celebrating for a little while longer...... maybe in all their giddy jubilance they will stumble in their filibuster of gorsuch ..... and if they don;t..... their dances will stop abrubtly when the nuclear option they created themselves a few years ago, hits them between the shoulder blades...... ... 

just my personal thoughts on the matter.... .. what do you think?..... 

I agree completely with your assessment...

I will add that I'm upset at the fact the Republicans couldn't come together. I really am. There is plenty of blame to go around on the Republican side. I didn't like the bill but it is true that they couldn't do but a few things with the bill due the fact they were constrained by the rules and laws of legislation. 

The freedom caucus is turning into nothing but a bunch of losers. The fact is, they will never get their way. NEVER. They have to compromise. What the freedom caucus wants in the bill will never pass the Senate. They at least had a real chance of defending Planned Parenting. I don't know if they will ever get another chance to do it again. 

I believe Trump is very good at leveraging what he has. I think that is why he hasn't played many cards yet. There will come a time to play them. 

I kinda concerned that the establishment, and freed caucus Republicans are going to ruin Trumps first two years. I honestly believe they want to. 

I am glad that Trump walked away from the deal. There comes a time to just walk away....

so.... this was 3 and a half years ago,... .. and nothing has been done since... .... and when i hear the talk in the debates and discussions about health care i am reminded of something i disagreed with president trump on completely.... ... and for which i still disagree with him on today..... ......

yes.. i believe obama-care..... or the unaffordable health care act as i like to call it...... should have been rescinded and replaced....... ....but......not until it could have been replaced in it;s entirety......

president trump likes to say his removal of the most unpopular part of obama care.....the individual mandate ..... was a good thing.... ..i disagree...... ..while it was indeed the most distasteful part of obama care on the surface... .. it was also the one thing that would have guaranteed the plans removal had it remained in place.... .if young healthy people had been forced to abide by all parts of obama care until it could have been replaced as a whole... they would have pushed their congressmen to get it replaced sooner... .

but as it is now.... they don;t have to worry about it.... they free to forget all about health care...... and how likely are they to need medical health insurance in the near future anyway?...... .not likely at all... ... so they can easily live without it for now... .. and save their money in the process... .... and without their payments helps cover the cost....  obamas disastrous health care order is left alone to become even more disastrous for those who actually do need health care insurance.... ..

if president trump thought the young and healthy would rmember how kind he was saving money for them, and support him in a future election.. ..(while they are currently rioting in the streets).... ... he was wrong..... this is the generation that took money from their own parents for years... lived at home into their 30s.... then lived off trust funds while they went to college.... graduated to make 6 figure sums in a tech job... and pretended they did it all on their own....

they should have been left to pay the individual mandate until congress was forced to replace that plan....

as it is... due to the fact that so many people who never paid a dime for their own insurance.... i.e. chronic welfare and willfully jobless.... have to be covered for free under obama care...... insurance coverage across the board has been severely downgraded for everyone...... .. worst of all.... downgraded for those who worked all their lives to pay for their health insurance... retired... . and now need it badly... ...30 to 40 years ago that group were sold a health care plan through their employers that they thought would continue on into their old age and be their for them when they needed it.... ... the changes that came with obama care was only going to allow that to happen if those who did not yet need that coverage continued to pay their premiums.... ...

well..... now ..... those same people... most of whom were avid trump supporters in 2016 have been left with the short end of the stick on health care..... and are looking at a democrat future with even more reductions in overall coverage and an even higher price to pay for it.....

just my opinions based on what i have seen and experienced myself with regards to health care coverage.... .. i am still voting for donald trump this november.... .. i can only hope others who have been negatively effected will do the same..... a plan endorsed by trump is the only thing that will help at this point..... medicare for all will end up being medical care for none.... except for those rich few who don;t need insurance in the first place....