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• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 08-28-2016, 10:45 PM

  Romans 2:1 explained “You who judge do the same things.”
  
  The Bible gives three explanations of this passage, all of which are true.
  
  James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. The following verses show that God will deal more harshly with people who judge. The truth is that those who judge others aren’t good enough to do so.
  
  
  Rom 2:9, 23-24 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?  24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.  Do you think that your denomination or group is better than the others? No group, not even IFBs, is good enough to condemn others.
  
  
  Rom 2:21-22 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?  22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?  Specifically, a person who judges is recognizing his own sin in someone else. It may or not really be there, but it is definitely there in the life of the accuser.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 08-29-2016, 11:42 PM

  John Boyd’s Third Principle
  
  Developed after he was exiled to the Office of Strategic Planning for blaming US generals for our defeat in Vietnam, Boyd developed these three principle to cover all his other principles:
  
  1) Every person has his own perception of reality.
  2) The more isolated that person is from the vibrant, ever-changing world around him, the more inaccurate his view of reality must become.
  
  And now, principle #3:
  
  If that person has the authority to make decisions, chaos will result.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 08-30-2016, 11:18 PM

  The Third Principle: If an isolated person has the authority to make decisions, chaos will result.
  
  Now, Brethren, I can go on about the major failures that resulted from bad decisions by IFB leaders, but you’ve already heard them. Instead, I want to talk about how the Third Principle applies to Bible college graduates.
  
  As a Christian high school teacher, I had to attend teachers’ conferences. One year, they asked everyone who was teaching for the first time to raise their hands. Then they asked everybody was was in their second year of teaching to raise their hands. And then there was hardly anybody left.
  
  I quietly questioned my fellow teachers about what they had seen in different schools, and it agreed with what I had seen: Less than half of all Christian school teachers will enter their third year of teaching. Four years of Bible college, and you probably won’t last more than two years as a Christian school teacher. And I’m not counting the ones who never taught at all.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  lnf > 08-31-2016, 12:17 AM

  Umm, Mr. Massi, I'm not the first to point this out to you, so I realize I'm probably wasting my breath (or keystrokes, as it were), but your posting style is more suited to a personal blog page as opposed to a forum. A forum is designed for a back-and-forth conversation. I've read all three pages of this thread. I've noticed that you haven't responded to the comments of other posters. Hence, they gave up, but you have continued on.
  
  You, sir, post serial soliloquies, which is the very definition of a personal blog. If you want to be taken seriously on this (conversational) forum (and the other one that I have seen you post on), you really should reconsider your posting style.
  
  Just say'n. Take my comments for what you will.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 08-31-2016, 09:54 PM

  The Third Principle: Isolation harms, not helps, Bible college students.
  
  I was taught at HAC that I was to admire the Godly Christian parents who sacrificed to send their children to Christian schools. They didn’t tell us that some parents sent their children to Christian school because the public school teachers would have sued the parents if they didn’t.
  
  In a conflict, we would go before the school board, pastor, and/or deacons, believing that we would tell the truth, the student would lie, and we would both try to convince them that we were right. And the teachers lost every time—no exceptions. That’s because we were isolated. But I got along well with most of the students, and they told me the truth: every single person at those meetings already knew that the student was lying. And every single person knew that every single person knew that the student was lying—except the teacher.
  
  I learned that some school board members got their positions by threatening to leave the church if they weren’t made leaders. I learned that if the parent of a few students threatened to go to another Christian school and take other people with them, the church wouldn’ t hesitate to fire the teacher and lie that it was the teacher’s fault.
  
  Isolated in Bible college, we weren’t taught those things.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 09-02-2016, 12:51 AM

  Chaos: the result of isolation.
  
  I was in a soul-winning Southern Baptist church in South Carolina when I came up with a brilliant idea—find former Christian school teachers and get them serving God again. They had told us at HAC that over 1,000 Christian schools were opening every year (in the early 1970’s). The teachers had to be out there somewhere.
  
  And that’s how I found out that most former Christian school teachers no longer attend church. I was the only one in my church. Friends in other churches didn’t know of any. I searched the internet and found a couple of sites for Christian school teachers, but they were run by pastors. I found one on the internet still living for God. Years later, using Facebook, I found some of my former associates—four of them, all BJU graduates, are still attending church.
  
  But most are gone. I have never stopped searching, and I have only found one more in all these years. Four years of isolation in Bible colleges, and they couldn’t make the right decisions for succeeding in church.
  
  And then it gets worse...

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 09-03-2016, 02:38 AM

  The Failure of Bible Colleges
  
  In trying to locate former Christian school teachers, I learned that most of them no longer attend church. And I also found out that this applies to most Bible college graduates. Other than the pastor and his wife, most churches do not have Bible college graduates. Using my own observations, plus what others observed, I realized that several years after graduating, less than half of all Bible college graduates attend church.
  
  In researching this, I found that reliable numbers are impossible to find—Bible colleges don’t publish how many graduates they have. Bible colleges rarely post their enrollment, even in their catalogs. Christian denominations do not publicize their college numbers where they can be easily found.
  
  SOMETIMES I could find the total number of Bible college students in a denomination. Assuming that all their graduates reach the age of 60, the average evangelical church should have 22 Bible college graduates. Nobody believes that is happening, and nobody believes that half of it is happening.
  
  Four years of isolation does not prepare you to live a successful Christian life.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 09-03-2016, 07:42 PM

  Documenting the Failure of Bible Colleges…
  
  ...is a rough job, since they conceal their numbers. Incidentally, that alone shows that there is a problem.
  
  In 1978, I heard Bill Gothard teach a live seminar in Philadelphia to over 24,000 people. He explained that less than half of all missionaries return after their first two years on the field.
  
  A SBC seminary did a study on their graduates. They found that five years after graduating, less than half had any sort of ministry, including teaching Sunday School.
  
  Bob Gray (from Texas) explained that 95% of all freshmen pastoral theology majors will never pastor a church. So for every pastor, there should be nineteen laymen in the church who at least attended Bible college. This goes along with my own number (22) that includes all Bible college graduates.
  
  Four years of isolation does not prepare you for the ministry or for a successful Christian life.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 09-05-2016, 12:59 AM

  How to Benefit from this Information
  
  “The more authority an isolated person has to make decisions, the more chaos will result.”
  
  The teachers at Bible colleges are generally a Godly lot, but their isolation (and the isolation of their leaders) makes them unqualified to train people for the ministry. Therefore, you should not be listening to their leaders.
  
  The leaders of the KJO movement tell us that they ARE the IFB movement. Using out of context quotes, they tried to show that Charles Spurgeon was KJO, when he clearly stated, more than once, that new translations were a good thing. They claim John Bunyan, author of Pilgrim’s Progress, was KJO, not realizing that he preferred the Geneva Bible over the KJV. They teach that Jack Hyles was a KJO hero, when Hyles took his church from over 40,000 to less than 6,000 after turning KJO. These leaders tell us who to read and trust, without telling us that they have appointed leaders in the past who later went to prison for sex crimes.
  
  Calvinist preachers spend four years studying the philosophical concepts of Mani and St. Augustine, trying to blend Christianity with paganism. The doctrine that God forces innocent men to sin and then holds them accountable, that God has a sincere call and a hypocritical call, that the “world” means the “elect,” that “all” means a minority, etc., are parts of the chaos that Calvinism has produced among God’s people.
  
  I actually had a hard time going against HAC until the Jack Schaap scandal broke. By keeping the Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard scandals in operation, HAC continues to block much of the blessings of God.
  
  The influence of these leaders has already produced a lot of harm—you don’t need to listen to or fear them.

• RE: Forty Second Boyd

  Vincent Massi > 09-05-2016, 11:39 PM

  A Bad Isolationist Doctrine
  
  “Because I belong to the only group that is completely right, I cannot leave.”
  
  1) This doctrine is not found in Scripture.
  2) Almost everybody who believes this doctrine is in the wrong group.
  3) This doctrine assumes that your leaders are perfect in their doctrine—the truth is, your leaders disagree among themselves, but they usually keep it private.
  4) This doctrine assumes that spiritual growth and successful service MUST be decreased in another group.
  
  But someone says “I’m an exception, because my group really IS correct in everything.”
  
  1) This doctrine is not found in Scripture.
  2) Almost everybody who believes this doctrine is in the wrong group.
  3) This doctrine assumes that you have perfect knowledge of Scripture, and you have no more room for growth in knowledge. In that case, you can never learn anything again in your current group.
  
  In other words, both doctrines are bad doctrines. I have seen over the decades that frustrated Christians, who go to church as a boring duty, often hit new spiritual growth and opportunities to serve by attending other Christian groups.
  
  Now, most of the people on this forum are successful Christians. How many of them still believe what we were taught at HAC?
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