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• RE: The "finger prints" of God left within fallen humanity.

  praise_yeshua > 11-01-2018, 03:35 PM

  (11-01-2018, 03:22 PM)The Rogue Tomato Wrote:

  (11-01-2018, 02:13 PM)praise_yeshua Wrote:

  (11-01-2018, 10:57 AM)The Rogue Tomato Wrote: Luther preceded Calvin.  In fact, I've read historians say that in truth, Calvin is nothing more than a footnote to Luther. 

  
  They were largely contemporaries. Luther died in 1546 at 62. Calvin died in 1564 at 54.

  
  
  My point was simply that Luther had already developed all his views on the sovereignty of God before Calvin himself was even 16 years old.  If they agreed during their lifetime, it wasn't due to any of Calvin's influence.  It's a shame that the term for this view is "Calvinism", because that makes it sound like Calvin invented the idea, and people who call themselves Calvinists got their ideas from Calvin.  In my case (and I'm sure in many other cases) Calvin and his writings had nothing whatsoever to do with "Calvinism".  And, in fact, what little I know of Calvin's "Calvinism", I disagree with him on at least one or two points.  But I call myself a Calvinist because it's a common term for people who believe in divine election, not man's free-will choosing.  It's a convenient shorthand.
  
  In other words, I know we disagree on this view of soteriology, but please don't accuse me of following Calvin.  Calvin had nothing whatsoever to do with my views.
  
  Also, I'm not a Lutheran, either, even though his book strengthened these specific views.  I attended a Lutheran church for a couple years, and I can tell you I disagree with their views on many points.

  
  Sounds good. I understand your use of the term. I do disagree with the general reference of the "doctrines of Grace" being one and the same with the Luther/Calvin perspective on Sovereignty. 
  
  I just feel that most/not you, use such things to get an advantage in any discussion of the topic. I will stop referencing you as a Calvinist.
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