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  The Rogue Tomato > 06-04-2016, 10:18 PM

  Are there any popular (or even obscure) conspiracy theories that you suspect could be true?
  
  Here are some that I believe could be true:
  
  1. There is a lot behind the JFK assassination that we don't know, and probably never will know.  I don't think Oswald acted alone, and was probably used as a patsy and quickly eliminated to cover up his connections.
  
  2. I do believe powerful people routinely have people who they perceive as threats to their power assassinated.  For example, I don't think Breitbart died of "natural causes" as was reported.  Then there's Loretta Fuddy, the only person to die in a plane crash, and the only person who might have been responsible for faking Obama's birth certificate.  Then there's the curious series of events leading to the death of most of the seal team that supposedly killed Osama Bin Laden (and the lack of any proof Bin Laden was killed in that raid and wasn't already dead).  And then there's the body count surrounding the Clintons.  
  
  3. I do believe there are false flag operations -- tragedies manufactured to steer political will one way or another.  Some people say Sandy Hook was a false flag operation.  I haven't examined the evidence either way, so I can't weigh in on that.  But I am convinced Fast and Furious was a false flag operation to push gun control.  The plan was to sell guns to Mexican drug cartels and then point to the source of the guns in America when Americans get killed by them. The program prior to Obama traced the guns in order to get to the cartels.  The Obama administration just sold the guns to the criminals and never tracked them.  And just when congress was about to get the documents on Fast and Furious, Obama claimed executive privilege and had them concealed. 
  
  But I don't think this just applies to powerful politicians.  I believe it also applies to CEOs, etc.  I even knew a person who was about to do serious damage to Microsoft's sales of Windows to government agencies who died suddenly under mysterious circumstances, after which Microsoft made the sales.  At the time I was covering this story in journalism, a PI with the technical resources to discover such things claimed my phone was being tapped.  
  
  I could list a few more conspiracy theories I find credible, even if unproved, and maybe I will if this thread gets any participation.  
  
  But what about you?

• RE: Conspiracy theories

  aleshanee > 06-05-2016, 11:25 AM

  i heard the conspiracy about loretta fuddy before..... the person that told it said the fact obamas grandmother died right before the election was part of it too..... since she was one of the other people that would have known the truth....... ...... but i know people who were fairly well acquainted with both of them.. ..... and that person said obamas grandmother was a very sick elderly lady who could have gone at any time..... and if you ever saw pictures of loretta fuddy you would have wondered how she could have ever survived a plane crash into the ocean in the first place..... ...... because she actually did........ all the passengers on that small plane initially survived the crash and were treading water while waiting for rescue....... the coroners report said she suffered a heart attack from the stress of all that and overexertion before rescue arrived......... 
  
  but i do believe conspiracies exist.... far more often than many realize....... some people in the business of evaluating people say that any time you have 3 or more people in a group together .... 2 of them will naturally begin to conspire against the other one.. ......... .... it might not be a big or malicious conspiracy and may only involve private jokes about the other individual they only tell each other..... but a conspiracy of some sort and on some scale will exist.... ..  for most of the human population it;s a natural thing to try and hide things from others that they think they can use for their own benefit later..... like hiding the last piece of pizza when everyone else is still hungry..... .. ...   when any more than a small handful people are working together to hide that thing... then you have a conspiracy......   

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  aleshanee > 06-05-2016, 05:36 PM

  but... i think you are absolutely right about operation fast and furious..... one of the claims made about it was that super high tech and overly ornate guns....were sent into mexico with the hopes that the cartel leadership would see those guns and acquire them for themselves.... making it easier for the batf and dea to track them down through the guns.... . ... according to them it was supposed to be an international sting operation ...... .but everybody knows that claim was bogus because for one... mexico is the kind of place where corruption has become so accepted that  criminals like drug lords don;t even have to hide.....  and most of them don;t..... they did acquire some of those high tech and ornate guns though... and then promptly exported them right back into the united states and into the hands of their u.s. dealers...... ...
  
  plus.... for something to be an international operation it requires the cooperation of governments on both sides of the border...... and according to mexico only the u.s. government knew about it... ..which makes it at the very least unlawful interference in a foreign country.... ...some governments would consider another government arming criminals in their country to be an act of war against them... ..... at this point who knows what was really going on..... and if hillary clinton gets elected we may never know...... .. she is another one whose corruption has become so accepted that she doesn;t even have to hide it.... ..... and she will squash whatever information is out there about it then use it for her own purposes.... ... obama admin already destroyed most of the records on that scandal.. ..then sealed the rest under "executive privilege" orders... ..democrats would squeal like stuck pigs if a republican admin tried to do that... ...

• RE: Conspiracy theories

  The Rogue Tomato > 06-05-2016, 06:52 PM

  (06-05-2016, 05:36 PM)aleshanee Wrote: but... i think you are absolutely right about operation fast and furious..... one of the claims made about it was that super high tech and overly ornate guns....were sent into mexico with the hopes that the cartel leadership would see those guns and acquire them for themselves.... making it easier for the batf and dea to track them down through the guns.... . ... according to them it was supposed to be an international sting operation ...... .but everybody knows that claim was bogus because for one... mexico is the kind of place where corruption has become so accepted that  criminals like drug lords don;t even have to hide.....  and most of them don;t..... they did acquire some of those high tech and ornate guns though... and then promptly exported them right back into the united states...... ... plus for something to be an international operation it requires the cooperation of governments on both sides of the border...... and according to mexico only the u.s. government knew about it......... ..... at this point who knows what was really going on..... and if hillary clinton gets elected we may never know...... .. she is another one whose corruption has become so accepted that she doesn;t even have to hide.... ..... and she will squash whatever information is out there about it then use it for her own purposes.......

  
  Plus, when George W. Bush (of whom I am NOT a fan, just to clarify) ran the program, they ATF was instructed to trace the guns from the straw purchasers to the cartel buyers in Mexico as a sting operation.  
  
  Obama's ATF did not make any attempt at tracing the guns.  In fact, a whistle blower testified that he was instructed NOT to make any attempt at tracing the movement of the weapons after selling them to the cartels.
  
  BTW, straw purchasers are people who deliberately lie about the person for whom they are buying the weapons.  They buy the guns legally and then sell them to criminals.  In this case, the straw purchasers were government agents.
  
  Not coincidentally, at about the same time Fast and Furious was in operation, Hillary Clinton told the lie that 90% of the weapons used by Mexican cartels to murder Americans were bought in America.  If Fast and Furious was allowed to continue, that might actually have become true.  But it wasn't even close to being true at the time Hillary said it, which suggests Hillary was part of the program.

• RE: Conspiracy theories

  praise_yeshua > 06-06-2016, 01:21 PM

  I agree with you on Fast and Furious......
  
  I do believe in the conspiracies surrounding the federal reserve and most of the ones surrounding the world bank. I wouldn't put it past high ranking members of these organization being behind the assassination of JFK. 
  
  I believe there are literally trillions of dollars of untraceable currency shared among the upper elite that handle the inner working of the federal reserve and the world banking systems. These people have 20 plus year plans to direct monetary decisions throughout the world. 
  
  You know what they say about the love of money....
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